Episode 30  |  February Vibes
What’s going on in our world this week. Erin is back from a quick family vacation at The Atlantis. Alex shares that she got engaged there and goes back to The Atlantis every year. How to disengage while you’re on vacation. Spring real estate market is heating up.

Episode 29  |  Personal & Professional Tidbits
Some professional and personal tips on what sets us apart. Marketing, gifting, newsletters, and making our clients know that we value them. Understanding the client experience.

Episode 28  |  Planting Seeds
There is no box you need to be in to grow your wealth. You can be in any income bracket to leverage what you have to build your wealth. Buying a home is one of the smartest ways to get on your way to financial security. We’re talking about things you can do today that your future wealthy self will thank you for.

Episode 27  |  Habits and Resolutions
January is the time for change and resolutions. Here’s Erin and Alex suggestions for best practices for New Years Resolutions. Find out how your resolutions can include buying a new home and increase your level of success by planning.

Episode 26  |  2020 New Housing Market
A recent article in Housingwire writes about what’s on the horizon for new homes next year.  Erin and Alex review how home sales will look in our area in 2020. What will home inventory be? How do communities age? What are the suggestions for people who are looking to purchase next year?

Episode 25  |  Slaying Dragons
Erin is back from Texas and shares her experience at the Dream Big Summit. She came home with lots of great ideas to improve her business. The two big topics she will implement to her daily practice is to host more client events, not just realtor events. The second is to focus on her business coaching and goal setting. Massive Impact Goals: MIGs.

Episode 24  |  Changes Are Coming
What does a “Coming Soon” status mean on real estate? What does it mean to home buyers? MLS has changed the rules on this status. But there is a work around when you work with your mortgage company!

Episode 23 | Servant Leadership
How giving back can grow your business & bring a new meaning to your life

Episode 22 | It’s Normal To Be Scared
It’s 100% normal to be scared.

Episode 21 | Selling Strategy
Trusting the process to maximize your proceeds.

Episode 20 | Monopoly Money
What does the Federal Reserve rate mean to you?

Episode 19 | The Amazon Affect
How Amazon HQ2 will impact the surrounding area.

Episode 18 | Pause – Rewind – Fast Forward
The play by play of the August.

Episode 17 | Summertime Sizzling
The currently sizzle of our market!

Episode 16 | Can You Get A Gift?
Myths & Tips on gift receiving $$.

Episode 15 | How To Be Prepared
Listening to your real estate professionally will get you the home.

Episode 14 | Great Expectations
Every seller is a buyer at some point.

Episode 13 | Funding Fun Projects
We talked about about biggest bang for your buck, now we discuss funding it.

Episode 12 | Biggest Bang For Your Buck
Pools, Kitchens and Bathrooms.

Episode 11 | Safety Nets
We discuss the different types of contingencies in a contract.

Episode 10 | Up The Ante
How to make your offer stand out.

Episode 9 | How’s Your Summer Body?
Just like working out for that summer body, results are started in the winter. Same goes for the housing market.

Episode 8 | Pros and Cons of Technology
Do you find technology useful? We explain our pros & cons of technology.

Episode 7 | Declutter Your Home Before Moving
We’ve come to realize the amount of clutter and junk we actually have during the moving process. We discuss tips & vendors for making the moving process easier.

Episode 6 | Buying A House Without Your Spouse

Episode 5 | What Color Is Your Door Knob?

Episode 4 | On The Fence About Buying

Episode 3 | Time Management

Episode 2 | Human Connection

Episode 1 | Coffee and Jam Pilot

Thanks for visiting the Coffee & Jam podcast library. Have more questions? Erin Finke is happy to help! Contact her here: erin@theyiteam.com 

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Finding the funds to pay for those bigger projects can be a challenge. How do you update the kitchen? Put in a pool or great landscaping? A smart mortgage advisor will show you how to use the equity in your home. Start by finding out your home’s value. How much equity do you have?

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DO YOU HAVE EQUITY IN YOUR HOME?

EQUITY: the money value of a property in excess of claims or liens against it.  – Merriam Webster

One of the biggest perks of home ownership is building equity over time. Our smart mortgage advisors will show you how to use the equity in your home to pay for those big fun projects. 

Start by finding out your home’s value. How much equity do you have? Contact your realtor (your mortgage advisor can recommend one if you don’t have one). The realtor will be able to tell you the current market value of your home. 

If the home’s value is in excess of the mortgage, you’re in luck! That’s equity you can use!

Your realtor will be able to give you a ballpark price for the renovations you’re planning. If the pricing is in your budget, here are two options to use your home to pay for them.

CASH-OUT REFINANCE

REFINANCE: Paying off one loan with the proceeds from a new loan using the same property as security.

Refinancing pays off your old mortgage in exchange for a new mortgage. Take that updated market value of your home (that you just got from your realtor) and consider it against the estimate for your big project. Maybe now is the time for a cash-out refinance? You can take money out with a cash-out refi and use it for your big project, which could help build the equity in your home.

PRO: There is only one lien against your property. “There is some value in having just one payment every month. And having the tax deduction on that payment” says Erin Finke, senior mortgage advisor.

HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT (or HELOC)

“A home equity line of credit is different than a cash out refinance. It is a second loan on your property” says Finke. 

PRO: “The great thing about a line of credit as you pay it down is you can access it again,” says Finke. “With a home equity line of credit you can go up to 100% [value of the home]”.

HOW TO DECIDE?

This can be overwhelming. Our mortgage advisors can help you make this big decision. There are several elements at play: different personal qualifying details and lender rules may make a difference. 

ALWAYS BE IN THE KNOW

Knowing the value of your home helps you understand your mortgage better. We like to send our clients a monthly email with an updated value of their home.  It helps you manage your most important asset and shares tips on how to save money for the next big project. 

CHECKLIST

• Call your realtor and get an updated home value.
• Ask your realtor for a ballpark estimate of what they think your project would cost.
• Call your mortgage advisor.
• Start on your project!

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ERIN Hey

ALEX Hi

ERIN It’s Thursday, June 13, 2019.

ALEX Do you remember that, you call in for the weather. That’s what you sound like right now.

HOW TO USE YOUR MORTGAGE 

TO FUND BIG PROECTS

Are you planning a new pool or landscaping project? Maybe a kitchen renovation or addition is in your future? Finding the funds to pay for those bigger projects can be a challenge. We can help.

ERIN Oh, my gosh! You’re right. Or the time? Isn’t that weird that you would call in for the time? The time is nine thirteen. At the tone the time will be nine thirteen am. Beep. And then it would keep going.

ALEX Yes! That’s what you just sounded like. No one knows what the heck we’re talking about.

ERIN Sorry. I apologize in advance.

ALEX Yeah. It’s kind of like that commercial. On the news? It’s right before the news. The time is…

ERIN Yeah.

ALEX The temperature is….brought to you by…

Funding Fun Projects

ERIN So thank you for the last 50 seconds, 51 seconds that we have brought beautiful content to you. No! Let’s jump right into our topic today. Last week we talked about improvements in Biggest Bang For Your Buck. Today we’re going to unpack that a little bit further and talk about how to access the funds needed for improvements and the first few steps to take.

ALEX Yep. So what do you want to call it? How To Pay? How to Finance? How To Fund?

ERIN Yeah. How To Fund The Fun Projects. Funding Fun Projects.

ALEX How To FF.

ERIN Oh Jesus.

ALEX FFE!

ERIN So last week we talked about kitchens, baths, we touched on pools. And the return on investment for those things. We also talked about Jen and how she wanted to do a whole master. And I’m still trying to convince her just to do it.

ALEX We should do a vote. Like on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/theyiteam/

ERIN Everyone is going to say do it.

ALEX Yeah.

ERIN It’s her forever home, they’re not going anywhere. It’s just jumping in.

ALEX At that point lets just knock it down and start over.

ERIN A McMansion. The house is huge as far as square footage. It’s just that they have a lot going on. I’m going to encourage her once everything has settled down because I know that would bring her a lot of joy.

Do You Have Equity In Your Home?

ERIN So that being said, if you have the ability to access equity in your home, and what that means is that you have an equity position in your home where there’s some cash available. Now I would recommend if you want to know if that’s possible to contact your real estate agent. Because you would be able to tell them where their home sits on the market today. What’s their value. There would be an appraisal that would come into effect.

ALEX Yeah. And then how much they owe. And what the current market value is. And an appraisal.

ERIN So all of those things to start the conversation to try to figure out what it is you want to accomplish. If you’re like me you wouldn’t know what that is going to cost. I don’t know anything about costs of construction or any of that. So my first step would be to find out what I want to do and then talk to a professional who may be good, not necessarily to price it out, but who could give me a ballpark. Alex you would have an idea.

ALEX Couple big bids.

ERIN Yeah, even before bids. Like if I said, Alex, I want this new kitchen you would have an idea. Ballpark like, all right if you want to do this it’s going to cost you $25,000, or whatever it is.

ALEX Whatever it is.

Funding Fun Projects With A Cash Out Refinance

ERIN Maybe it’s a little bit more, maybe it’s a little bit less depending on little details that are chosen. So basically the first step is figuring out what your property is going to be worth as a ballpark. And that’s going to be a deciding factor in you moving forward. You can always take cash out of your property. You need to do a “Cash Out Refinance“. You could also take out a Home Equity. A Home Equity Loan is different than a Cash Out Refinance where it’s a second loan on your property. Depending on your specifics, one may make more sense than the other. It just depends on your circumstances. So if you do a second loan, it’s a Line Of Credit.

ALEX That’s what I have.

ERIN Yeah. So as you pay it down, you can access it again. So there are some benefits to that.

ALEX Correct.

“There’s some value in just having one payment every month.”

ERIN For a Cash Out Refinance, you still just have one loan. There’s some value in just having one payment every month. And having the tax deduction on that payment. So, those are all unique to each person applying and the goals that they’re trying to meet.

ALEX Is there a cap?

ERIN Different programs offer different things. With the Home Equity you can go up to 100%.

ALEX Really? Fantastic.

ERIN Yeah. There are just different personal qualifying details that need to be met. You need to qualify and the lenders themselves have rules. We at Fairway don’t actually do stand alone Home Equity Lines Of Credit. We can obviously put you in touch with some people who do them. So that being said, I want to blow out this wall in my living room and I want to do a huge island with a big slab of marble and I want to do blah, blah, blah. Alex, I’m going to call you and you’re going to say, “okay great! I know Mr. Smith who’s the contractor”. How does that work?

ALEX Kind of like what you just said. It’s a little more in depth with ethics. I have to make sure that their license is up to date. This is boring logistics but I have to put it out there. I have to make sure their license is up to date. Then I have to email the contractor’s contact information with their link to the license. I do have a rolodex of people. And if you ask me ballpark number I’ll be able to give you an idea of what it’s going to cost.

ERIN I would say that’s probably unique to you too, because you work with a lot of developers. Versus just a regular resale real estate agent who might not know. I would say that’s a strength that you would have.

ALEX If you were to call and say that you wanted to put hardwood floors everywhere. Who is the best company around? I would be able to get you in touch. Things like that, that’s easy. Now when it comes to actually pulling permits and stuff then I have a whole thing. What people don’t realize is you may want to do one project but it could involve four different types of contractors.

ERIN That’s so true!

“The most expensive part of a project sometimes is the permits.”

ALEX And the most expensive part of a project sometimes is the permits. Especially when you want to move things.

ERIN I didn’t even think about the permit part. So please speak to that. Let’s say I call you and I want to take…it’s my house! It’s my property! I have to get permits for work that’s being done inside my home?

ALEX You actually have to get a permit if you change out your toilet. Yeah, Montgomery County requires a permit for almost everything.  https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/dps/

ERIN No way! So I had no idea.

ALEX Yeah. And if anyone ever fact checked it. Say you put another kitchen in the basement and you never pulled a permit.

ERIN And you try to sell your house.

“You can get a permit afterwards.” 

ALEX You can get a permit afterwards. You can. Typically the seller would pay. You can get a permit after the fact. I would just not advise that scenario, which we have right now going on.

ERIN So I’m going to go off on a little side road here to give you an example I just thought of as you were talking about these requirements. We’ve had situations before where people have refinanced or asked to refinance. Guess what, they’ve closed out their garage to make it a mini kitchenette.

ALEX Whatever, yeah.

ERIN And now there’s no access now to the main house from it. They created their own little space. They took out the garage door. They put in bay doors. They put in a kitchenette. They did plumbing. None of it was permitted. Guess what, now it’s a two unit property, it’s not a one unit. It wasn’t an accessory unit either. The point is, they didn’t know it wasn’t okay. Had they contacted their real estate agent and said this is what I’m looking to do…

ALEX It’s interesting, because a good contractor will actually know that.

ERIN These people in particular were doing the work themselves.

ALEX That’s the only thing. I’m not knocking DIY projects. I would just confirm with either a real estate attorney, contractor, maybe a real estate agent one what you do and do not. Or, go to the county and ask what you need permits for. Because you really do need a permit for almost everything.

ERIN So how much do permits cost?

ALEX It all depends on the project and the scope of the work.

ERIN Really? So how does it work? Someone comes out and…You say I want a permit because I want to put on a…?

ALEX Usually a contractor will let you know what kind of permits you will need. If you just want to move a non-loadbearing wall, no problem. If you want to move structural walls, then obviously you would need a permit for it. If you want new wood floors, you don’t need a permit for that. Anything that involves the…

ERIN The structural integrity?

ALEX Yeah.

ERIN Makes sense. It’s a safety issue.

ALEX Which is why a toilet is part of it because it’s the plumbing.

ERIN Interesting. There’s so much I don’t know in regards to real estate!

ALEX A lot of agents don’t know that either until you get into a situation. Or if you’re like us and the stuff you deal with.

How Long Does It Take To Get A Permit?

ERIN What’s the timeline? From the time that you file for a permit and …?

ALEX It depends. Sometimes they’re quick. Sometimes you can get them back in a week. Sometimes they’re a little slower. It also depends on what you’re doing. If you’re just doing a quick kitchen renovation then yeah, you might get a permit quickly. Three weeks. Now be careful on the outside renovations because if you’re in an HOA, or you’re in a certain neighborhood. Or to put a pool in in the county, if you are within X amount of acres of your neighbor you need them to sign off. Same thing with a basketball court or tennis court.

ERIN Interesting. So that’s an HOA thing or that’s a permit thing?

ALEX That’s a permit thing.

ERIN So when we put the deck on our house last year, obviously we needed a permit. But the people who did the deck did the permitting.

ALEX Yeah!

ERIN So there’s a cost to that and they paid for it. That’s the idea? It’s probably built into my bid.  So you mentioned neighbors signing. I had neighbors signing for HOA. That’s not permits, that’s just HOA to be okay with the deck.

ALEX Yeah.

ERIN So interesting. I believe it took a week or two for the permits. Once the permits were done then they had to do footers. And then that had to be inspected too.

ALEX So everything needs,… like a deck every process, every step of it would need to be inspected. And if you fail inspection.

ERIN Definitely took some time, longer than I thought it would. I think we started in March. I think that was when I went under contract. And it wasn’t built until the first week of June. Like Memorial Day weekend.

ALEX Wow.

ERIN But it had to do with, I don’t remember why exactly. It only took a week to build the whole thing. But to start took a long time. I guess the HOA was like a 25-30 day thing that I had to do.

ALEX Because you have to wait.

ERIN Because I had to submit it. Put all the paperwork in. I had to get a survey. All those things. So the point here guys, is if you’re going to be doing projects you just need to start from square one. What is it that you want to achieve? Then talk to the professionals on what steps you need to take reverse engineer that and figure it out.

ALEX Make sure you get permits because it will come back to bite you in the ass if you want to sell your home. And you find out there aren’t permits, the buyer finds out there’s not permits.

Find Out If It Was Permitted

ERIN How would a buyer find that out?

ALEX Om my god, it’s so easy!

ERIN So I’ve had people who have sold homes and been like I’m going to sell my house. But I didn’t get a permit when I built my deck.

ALEX So it’s really easy. If depends on the county. Like if it’s in Montgomery County, just go to Montgomery County Building Permits. Type in the address. https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DPS/index.html

ERIN So it’s all public record?

ALEX It is. Everything is public record.

ERIN Wow!

ALEX Type in the address so you can see the status of the permits. You can see the value of it as well.

ERIN Interesting.

ALEX I know!

ERIN All stuff I didn’t know!

ALEX I know! It’s fun. It can be. That stuff excites me more.

ERIN You’re a developer though. You like the project. And project management.

ALEX I do. I like telling people what to do. Haha!

ERIN Haha! We all know Alex. We all know. But it’s to orchestrate the whole project. You do need advice. You’re not, you do that for a living. That’s exactly what you do for a living.

ALEX Yeah, and I’m not going to charge you for advice. That’s the other thing. That’s the problem. A consumer assumes that to bring someone in it’s going to cost them. It’s not going to cost much honestly.

ERIN It’s probably going to cost more if you don’t have a conversation with a professional first. Long term.

ALEX Exactly. Anyway, that is today’s fun little tidbit. Funding Fun Projects.

ERIN So what questions do people have. Something that is specific to you in regards to a project. Maybe planning a project out for the future, let us know. We can definitely speak to it. I think it would be really good to get some real life examples. And actually go through step by step in one of our podcasts.

ALEX If anyone wants to know. We often get questions about what upgrades, what renovations should I do?

ERIN Right. And what materials? That’s a huge one. Because people don’t know how to leverage that investment. You could easily do a very expensive renovation with materials that’s not so great. And then it’s a huge flop. Right? Again, talk to a professional please!

Coffee and Jam

ALEX Please do! Your coffee smells amazing.

ERIN Thank you! It’s just my Donut Shop hazelnut. My big boring.

ALEX Shout out to Donut Shop. Isn’t that with the two E’s at the end?

ERIN I think so. I just get it at Giant. 36 K cups for $17.99.

ALEX There you go!

ERIN That’s what I’m going to do! I don’t know if we talked about it last time. But that stuff from Wegman’s I did try it!

ALEX And?

ERIN It was pretty good. For next week’s I’ll bring in a couple and we’ll sample them.

ALEX Okay. Cool. Until next time… bye!

ERIN Bye!

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ERIN Hey!

ALEX It’s Thursday. We’re now going to switch to Thursday. Every Thursday look for a new recording. Today’s topic is Biggest Bang For Your Buck.

ERIN And it started with adding a pool, because it’s that time of year! It’s that time of year where it’s pool time. Do you have a pool in your community?

ALEX No, not yet. They haven’t built it yet.

ERIN But they will?

ALEX They will. It’s a whole community center. Right now they let you use the apartment complex. You have to get approved. But we belong to Lifetime. So if we really wanted to go to the pool, they have a pool. We just go to Lifetime Fitness. Not a big deal.

ERIN Let me think about this, because we have two pools in our community and my community isn’t set up for backyard swimming pools. I think the idea of our topic today is what can you add to your home to add value. Is there, are there things that you shouldn’t do? Are there things that you should do? Based on the biggest return on your investment is going to be? So, Alex, I think you’re going to speak to the largest part of this, like market values and being able to invest. You are very, very, very versed in developers,

ALEX Pools.

ERIN Well, pools too. But developers and materials, what materials yield as far as return on your investment. I think that’s a good place to start.

ALEX Can you tell I’m, off topic, obsessed with this?

ERIN Yeah, and I’m obsessed with your nails too. Those are a cute color. You guys can’t see but it’s like a metallic white. An opal. An opal.

ALEX My Chapstick, no, I don’t think it’s Chapstick. What do you call this?

ERIN Can I smell it?

ALEX Yeah, lip balm?

ERIN It’s Eos.

ALEX It’s Eos. It’s Dunkin Donut

ERIN Oh Lord. I would eat that. I would lick my lips all day long.

ALEX It’s kinda funny I bought it and it smells like glazed donuts.

ERIN And you’ve put it on your lips literally 4 times since we’ve sat here and you’re licking you lips.

ALEX Because I can’t eat glazed donuts at Dunkin Donuts since they’re non-vegan. Therefore I have to find alternatives and this one is close.

ERIN So you’re satisfying your sweet tooth without…?

ALEX It’s so bad, it’s so bad.

BIGGEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK

ALEX Okay, yeah. Biggest Bang For Your Buck. We can break it down by topics. Okay? So Pool.

POOLS

ERIN Yeah. Let me ask you a blanket question first. If you have a half acre lot, so a decent sized back yard, and you were to put a pool on half of it? So you still have green space. It would be a smaller pool to be able to do that. If you were to do that and still keep some green space would you be taking away from your home value because you don’t have the green space or do you think you’d be adding to the value because you’re adding that ammenity?

ALEX I’m biased. I always love a good pool. Obviously don’t put it on a postage stamp lot. I love a good pool. I don’t think it takes away from it. Do you ever look at backyards and think it’s missing something?

ERIN Yeah, like “oh a pool would look great right there”.

ALEX Barbeque, pool, whatever it may be. I think with a pool it lends itself to other options you might do. You can do a patio, a green space next to it for your kids, or dog, or a playground off of it. You can do a barbeque. What do you call it, not a gazebo, but a big

ERIN Like a big *snap* whatever this motion equals. Like a fireplace, that’s what I’m thinking.

ALEX It adds value. Because if you extend your indoors to your outdoors and make it another living space outside that you can use, theoretically 8 to 10 months out of the year, you’re creating more value.

ERIN Now, could that be subjective?

ALEX Absolutely! Some people don’t want to be outside. I’m showing houses now and people are like “no, it’s too much yard. It’s too much green space. It’s too, what am I gonna do with this?”.

ERIN Who are they?!

ALEX I’m gonna have to cut all this lawn, that’s the other thing.

ERIN Especially about a pool. The upkeep. The cost of maintenance.

ALEX The upkeep is actually less than having to mow your lawn.

ERIN What?

ALEX Yeah. If you get a good pool…I wouldn’t do salt water, by the way, if you have dogs. If you have animals and they drink the water it’s not good for them. So you could do a freshwater pool instead of a chlorine pool. And it’s once a week maintenance. If you have a vacuum and you already have a system that runs it and everything. My parents have one and once a week.

ERIN I still need to go to their house and see their renovation.

ALEX And I grew up with one and it was once a week. You have to check the skimmer.

ERIN What about adding a pool? What’s the cost? There are some myths out there that say if it costs me $45,000 to add a swimming pool then that adds $45,000 to my home value.

ALEX No, because it could also go the other way. It’s a gamble. It’s truly like we’re in Las Vegas, we’re going to roll the dice down the table and hoping we’re going to land on whatever number.

ERIN If you’re adding a pool it’s because you want it and it’s something of value to you, not because you’re trying to attract value.

ALEX It depends on where you live. If you live on a little bit of land then it adds value in my opinion. Because no one wants this big open space, they want something more. If all your neighbors have pools and you don’t, then sure. I think it would decrease the value of your home.

ERIN Only because there are no comps to support the value.

ALEX Correct. And if you are the one of only a couple on the street. Great. Then you’re house is only going to stick out more. If you’re the only one in the surrounding area it may not serve a purpose.

ERIN You don’t ever want to be the most expensive investment on the block.

ALEX Correct. Now obviously, different location, if they’re in Florida, everyone has one. It’s almost expected.

ERIN Right. It’s almost like where the hell is the pool if it’s not in the backyard when they get there.

ALEX Pools now you can use 7 months out of the year. My parents open theirs in April and close in October. Because it’s heated.

ERIN Right!

ALEX If you have solar panels you can run the heater off solar. It’s really not that much more a month to be quite honest.

ERIN I just know nothing about pools, pool maintenance.

ALEX It’s a misconception that it requires so much maintenance.

ERIN Literally, here I am coming in to this and I’m like oh my god it’s so expensive.

ALEX It’s not at all.

ERIN So what kind of mechanics go in to a pool? Like you said, a filter.

ALEX The pump, the heating. And then you have to get these jets that push the water around and it has a vacuum underneath. So it constantly is cycling the water as opposed to just sitting there. You have to check the skimmer, you’re going to find some dead things every now and then. For the most part you get algae problems you can scrub it.

ERIN And the little vacuums that run around the bottom.

ALEX It’s not like you’re out there for hours. I used to do it and it takes literally 5 minutes to go around the whole edge of the pool and scrub it if you want. You’re not sitting there with Clorox bleach, you’re just scrubbing.

ALEX My parents years ago tried to sell their house without the pool. Then my mom is like “forget it, we’re going to stay. We’re going to give up the membership at the country club and we’re going to put a pool in”. They put a pool in and when they went to sell it years later, they sold it within 4 days. Because of the pool. The house is on four acres. It just screamed “pool”. Now, I think having a pool in Bethesda is helpful too. In parts of Bethesda, there is just so much inventory out there. You’re not going to want to put one in in Clarksburg really, or Villages of Urbana. Some people in Kentlands have them.

ERIN You know I saw a property just recently that had a pool on the deck.

ALEX It’s on Masbury?

ERIN No I think it’s on Chestertown. But obviously you CAN do it, and it looked really nice! It was actually quite shocking. It looked very spa-like. It was a lap pool or it wasn’t a dive pool. It looked like a pool that you would truly only do swimming in it. What do you call that?

ALEX A wade pool. No, lap lane.

ERIN A lap lane, but a shorter one with the jets.

ALEX Like a wade pool. So we have a listing and I don’t know why they did this. It’s in DC. You wouldn’t expect it has an indoor pool but it has one of those what you’re talking about. It has where you’re swimming in place.

ERIN Like a treadmill.

ALEX They have that off their living room. It looks horrible. But, it’s under contract.

ERIN Someone liked it. That’s all that matters.

ALEX What’s the next topic?

ERIN As far as improvements. We talked about poo, what about repainting your house? Or getting new shutters?

ALEX I think that’s all great, depending on the color you’re going to choose.

ERIN Let’s assume that you don’t have an HOA that you have to contend with. What should be the inspiration behind the color, or any changes you’re going to make to your house? For example, when I was a child I wanted to match my makeup to my outfit.

ALEX So you wanted to be pink and purple.

ERIN But remember, that you’re not supposed to do that. I learned that your makeup should compliment your features, not what you’re wearing.

ALEX So you wanted blue eye shadow, blue shirt?

ERIN Exactly. As an adolescent. So my point is you want to accentuate the features of the house itself.

ALEX I think you can be quirky if you’re going…for example. Downtown Frederick. Annapolis. I think you can be quirky.

ERIN Oh yeah. But that’s not typical though.

ALEX I think around here you have to look at the architectural style of the home and get the feel of what it is. Is my house traditional? Is my house a little more modern? If so I always like to stick with classic colors. I like black and white, I like earth tones, I like black shutters, if you want to reverse it.

ERIN I love brick with black shutters. So good.

ALEX I’ve seen which looks really cool but is a little too forward now it’s more DC is matte black brick and white shutters.

ERIN Oh my gosh.

ALEX Or matte black brick, black lacquer shutters.

ERIN Wow! That’s modern.

ALEX I’m look at your marketing piece. If you wanted to paint that brick for example. The brick is this orange color on their marketing piece. It’s this house.

ERIN It’s a brick red.

ALEX It’s a brick red. If you wanted to switch it, I would say to keep the value of your home. Say someone wanted to paint their brick white I would keep your door white or a darker color and your shutters I would do black.

ERIN Do you think you should paint brick?

ALEX People love to. My sister did.

ERIN I think it can look great but…

ALEX It requires maintenance though.

ERIN Yes. So you can see that in downtown Frederick or even Annapolis where the line of the house. Because remember it’s all flat because it’s a rowhouse.

ALEX Annapolis is even worse because of the moisture and the salt water.

ERIN Do you think that the value? You’re giving your home great curb appeal obviously by updating the outside appearance. But if you’re spending $10,000 having your house repainted, as a reminder, you’re not going to get an extra $10,000 in your value because that’s a maintenance thing. That’s not a value thing.

ALEX I think it’s just a “I want to paint it while I live here because I love the way it looks”.

ERIN You love the way it looks driving up to it. So to touch on things that are Biggest Bang For Your Buck, let’s talk about Kitchens and Bathrooms.

KITCHENS AND BATHROOMS

ERIN I know you love those!

ALEX I do.

ERIN You can put money into your kitchen and actually double your investment.

ALEX You can do small things that will double your investment. Say you don’t want to rip out all of your cabinets. Your cabinets in general are in great shape. I would recommend to have them professionally painted on the inside, or refinished on the inside. Get new doors, facing, on the front. Like if it had an inlay in it and you wanted flat. But I wouldn’t do it yourself. I’ve seen a lot of cheap ones. You have to do it the right way. You have to sand it.

ERIN It is a long process. We looked into this in our other home. The same idea. To rip everything out would be very expensive. It would have looked great. But to have them refaced was a 4 day process. It was a long time.

ALEX It is, but it’s less than having to sit through construction. At the same time you can rip up your countertops. I always recommend if you have the space, a waterfall countertop.

ERIN Beautiful. I’ve seen it a lot more lately and it’s gorgeous.

ALEX Its a little bit extra. Make it thicker, don’t make it thin. I think that’s big. Lighting is another thing. Lighting is where you should spend your money in kitchens.

ERIN Really?

ALEX I think so. If you have a beautiful kitchen but it’s dark …?

ERIN Like under cabinet lighting, and above cabinet lighting.

ALEX Above cabinet lighting, under cabinet lighting, recessed lighting.

ERIN You have white cabinets, right?

ALEX Yea, I have them all the way to the ceiling. That’s my pet peeve by the way. I do not want cabinets that do not go all the way to the ceiling. They have to go to the ceiling because I don’t want to know there’s dust up there.

ERIN Oh, I never thought about that. Now I’m going to go home and wonder what’s up there? But if you have 12′ ceilings?

ALEX Then you should do it. Even if you have 10′. I have true 10′ ceilings. Not builder 10′, true 10′. And with that I have my cabinets to the top. I know there’s never going to be dust.

ERIN I’m going to have to find a picture now of my kitchen, because I don’t even know.

ALEX So these are the things you could do. I always believe that a good backsplash helps. Don’t have it too busy. Don’t have it look generic. Don’t go to Home Depot and pick the glass tile and throw it on up.

ERIN Oh, I see. Like not the one that’s already a piece. Do you know what I’m talking about?

ALEX Yeah, don’t pick the ones that you see too often. If you’re going to do it, do something that compliments not something that takes away. And that’s the same thing for bathrooms. Bathrooms, what people look for are now toilets, new vanities, make sure your tile is updated.  The other thing about outside is playgrounds. Some people don’t want them.

ERIN That’s a good point.

ALEX Some people don’t want them. Either way it costs money to move it or to remove it.

ERIN So would you say that maybe you don’t want to do that?

ALEX If you’re going to do those kinds of things then you have to commit to it all the way. Be prepared. You need to hone in on who your buyer is going to be, that you’re so confident with your selections. When time comes to move you know this is who I’m already looking for.

ERIN You want to keep your demographic pretty big. You don’t want to narrow it down to, it’s just a family that’s going to buy my house. What if it’s not a family? What if it’s a retired couple who’s kids are grown?

ALEX I don’t think they’re going to have a giant playground because a retired couple are usually looking for something smaller.

ERIN Maybe. But you’re eliminating.

ALEX You are, but that’s okay though. You just need to know that. I always believe that if you’re going to do things you have to do it all the way. So playgrounds, don’t just throw a playground on top of grass. Throw it on top of turf, maybe box it in.

ERIN Sand.

ALEX Whatever it may be, woodchips. Make it a piece of the house, not an afterthought.

ERIN I see. So it’s not something you threw on top of something else. It’s a dedicated space.

ALEX Everything should have purpose. Same thing goes for furniture. It shouldn’t look like you had extra furniture lying around and you didn’t know what to do. Every piece needs to have a place in the house. And don’t over clutter. I hate tables.

ERIN What I see some of these listings that incredibly cluttered. And I don’t know what it is. For example, the other day I was watching Keeping Up With The Kardashians. My husband walked in. At that moment someone was walking in to Scott Septics home which is this very sprawling, beautiful home. Beautiful white-washed floors, dark railings, beautiful, white. It’s very very minimal. So minimal. And Darick’s like why do these people have these huge homes with no furniture. I was like, oh my god, I looooove it!

ALEX Yes!

ERIN I love having so much clean space and so many corners that I can see. That’s what I like.

ALEX That’s the style, that’s the look for the home.

ERIN It’s very chunky almost. All the pieces are very big. Like banisters.

ALEX That’s how our house is. I’ll have to have you over. Our couch is this big piece, but we have nothing around it.

ERIN Around the perimeter. I’m with that.

ALEX I think if you’re going to do big pieces, you need to have less of them. Like what you were saying in the show. I love it. Because you’re house speaks. You’re actually showcasing the house.

ERIN You’re showcasing your home. Whereas your center island is a huge piece itself. And the windows.

ALEX It’s like art. Your house should be like art.

ERIN What pleases you. What sparks joy as they say.

ALEX No one likes a very overcrowded painting.

ERIN Yeah, I have some pretty stark walls and I’m okay with that. I think I’m going to do a gallery at one point. Up the stairway. Literally we’ve been in our house 2 years and I can’t. I need to find one piece that I like, and start there and build around it.

ALEX To wrap it all up, if you’re going to do things: kitchen, pool, playground, bathroom.

ERIN Don’t be too impulsive. Figure out what you’re going to do and invest some real time into dedicating that space and make it beautiful.

ALEX Yes.

ERIN Not just for you, but for the future.

ALEX Like you said, do the research with the right contractors. With the right companies. Look at photos online. See what the trend is in your neighborhood. Are you going to stick out too much with these items? You don’t want to always be the one house that,

ERIN The nicest.

ALEX Not the nicest. But the one house that’s going to be hard to sell because it’s so out of place.

ERIN When I say nicest I mean you don’t want to completely comp out of your neighborhood. If you plan to make a huge sprawling swimming pool and there’s not a swimming pool three miles around you, you’re going to have a hard time keeping that value.

ALEX You’re going to have a hard time. There’s no demand for it.

ERIN Exactly. So you can make that investment and enjoy it. Get the biggest bang for your buck.

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Erin Hello everyone! Episode 2. Coffee & Jam with Alexandra Ross and Erin Finke. It’s a beautiful Monday afternoon. Getting a little warmer here in the DMV.

Alex I know. Maybe we’ll have to change it to margaritas and jam!

HOME BUYING IS EMOTIONAL

Erin That’s a great idea. Margaritas & Jam, I love it. Today we’re talking about having a real conversation about how this experience in buying real estate can be daunting.

Alex Emotional.

Erin Real emotional. We as professionals can be desensitized, because we have this conversation every single day. I think about that a lot. We talked about how I talk fast. Sometimes I find myself in a conversation with a borrower and go, let me just slow down. I forget that I have the same conversation every day and you don’t.

Alex Do you ever feel like it’s easy to tell people what to do. In the sense that it’s like the same thing over and over? I think that’s why it takes the emotion out.

Erin Exactly. But that’s a good thing, right? It’s a good thing to know that you’re working with a professional that’s not emotional regarding to each step of the transaction. However, it doesn’t humanize you. And you need to relate to your client, understand and empathize with your client and know what they’re going through. I know you’ve experienced and I’ve experienced. The human connection.

CASE STUDY – ERIN BUYS A NEW HOME

Alex Tell about when you got your house and how long ago that was.

Erin So I bought my very first house in 2011. Living with my parents before that, so just buying. I did buy a short sale, so it took a while.

Alex By choice? You just found this house and all of a sudden you’re like this is the one.

Erin We looked at a lot of houses and the one that we wanted ended up being a short sale. Not a huge deal. For those of you who don’t know what a short sale is, it’s when a property is being sold for less than what is currently owed on it. So the bank that owns the mortgage currently has to agree to take less. So that takes time. Attorneys are involved and they have to negotiate. [RESOURCES]

“A Short Sale is when a property is being sold for less that what is currently owned on it.”

Alex And this is in 2011? Before or after September?

Erin After. I went under contract in May and we didn’t close until the day before Thanksgiving.

Alex I feel like everything holds it then.

Erin There were a lot of short sales and foreclosures back then. I remember being a little intimidated by the process but I had been in the business for 2 years by then already and I wasn’t juggling anything else at that time. Fast forward to 2017 when I bought our current home and we sold and bought at the same time. Holy crap! I was completely unaware of everything.

Alex Did you have settlement the same day?

Erin I didn’t. Fortunately I did have a rent back. So the timing worked out perfectly. I will, every person I talk to about when we sold our first home and bought our second home it could not have gone better, the timing. We did new construction. We went under contract in October and it wasn’t delivered until May. 2016 I went under contract. 2017 in May it was delivered. But I put our house on the market the first week of March. Literally this week 2 years ago. So the first week and half of March.

Alex Were you anxious?

Erin I was terribly anxious because I didn’t have to sell my home to buy my next one, but I didn’t want 2 mortgages. And I also had an 18 month old at the time.

Alex So you had a lot going on at the time.

Erin A lot of layers. And I remember feeling incredibly uncomfortable when here I am in the mortgage business for so long. And why am I uncomfortable, I should know. Because it’s emotional! It’s an emotional thing!

Alex It is! I don’t care what price point you’re buying by the way. It doesn’t matter.

Erin It doesn’t matter. So whether you’re buying your first home, or your juggling selling your first home and buying your second home, it’s important to be reminded that this is an emotional thing. Investing in real estate is great as an investment, but it is where you’re going to live. We’re talking about a primary residence. So yes, I remember being humbled by that, and thinking, damn, this is what I talk our clients through every day.

Alex Who is talking you through it?

Erin I don’t know. Happy hour? I think it was Clyde’s Tower Oaks talking me through it.

Alex What pep talk did you give yourself?

Erin There was a lot of wine and a lot of vodka.

Alex Did you cry?

Erin I cried a lot.

Alex I feel like I can relate. For those of you who don’t know Chong, we’ll have to put up a photo of Chong and what he does.

Erin I’ll have to put up a picture.

Alex Haha! He’s running away! We’re in a conference room and it’s glass doors and glass walls. He’s gone.

THE LARGEST PURCHASE YOU’LL EVER MAKE

Erin To the point of having a real conversation on real estate, it’s not just facts. It’s not just what loan programs are out there. How much can I afford? How much down payment do I need? Lets talk about you emotional state. And what to expect through the process and what is normal. Guys, this is normal to feel this way. Any large purchase is exciting.

Alex It’s usually the largest purchase you’ll ever make.

Erin It’s more than likely the largest indebtedness that anyone will ever make. It’s not just a car, it’s your home! It’s an appreciating asset. There’s all these layers to it. But it’s a really interesting thing to be reminded of. It’s a lot easier to give someone direction than to take direction.

A home purchase is “more than likely the largest indebtedness anyone will ever make.” 

CASE STUDY – ALEX BUILDS HER FINANCIAL STANDING

Alex How many times have I told people what to do? And how to do it? And here I am, I basically did the opposite of what. For me, Erin and Chong are doing my loan. I’m a first time home buyer.

Erin Which I completely forgot. It’s a stigma of being in the business that you own so much.

Alex That I own so much. That’s a whole other topic. It’s the persona I give out there. You would think I own multiple properties. Now I’ve done transactions with multiple properties and my name is on it. But we never end up buying it, we’re flipping the contract. So I never had any emotion attached to it. What started to get me wasn’t the actual purchase, it was the “okay now I have to give you all of the paperwork”. It was the bullshit that everyone has to go through. And then I started to relate to my buyers on it.

Erin Why is it taking so long to get me your bank statements?! It’s a pain in the neck, I get it.

Alex I was just having this strange Friday. And then I got everything in to you, and your underwriter emailed me 10 things I wanted to cry. I was like “why”? And then I have this fear which I’m sure is normal, that it won’t get approved.

Erin It’s funny that you say that Alex, because I’ve been in this business for 10 years now and that’s how I felt. I’m like, this is what’s going to happen and my loan is going to be declined. I know everything that can go wrong. I was telling myself that something was going to happen.

Alex I know! I already have a back up plan in my head because that’s the kind of agent I am. If something doesn’t happen for a client then I already know how I’m going to help them. So I was talking to Josh, “if we don’t get approved, what’s going to happen”? He said, “you’ll be approved”.

Erin To your point, it’s totally natural to feel that way. It makes you a human. It doesn’t matter how long, maybe it has to do with the fact that I’m a woman and I worry a lot, because my husband was like, “huh? You’re worried”?

Alex Has he bought a house? See, Josh has already bought a place before. But he’s never bought a place of this caliber.

Erin But he’s been through the process.

Alex Right, he’s been through the process. But he went through the process before the market crashed.

Erin Oooh! It was loosey goosey back then.

Alex And then he ended up short selling his place.

Erin For market conditions. It’s scary! You have to put your neck out there.

Alex I’m not even scared about the payment. That doesn’t even scare me. What bothers me is the process of someone saying you’re approved. What the heck? I’m seeking validation.

Erin You are approved. I ran you through desktop underwriter. You’re approved. I’m not worried about it. I get it. When I was negotiating with the builder and I was worried, what’s going to happen. I don’t know that side. I don’t know what’s acceptable. I rely on my real estate agent at the time to handle that. I didn’t know. Just like you’re coming to me, “so am I saying this correctly? I don’t want to put any words in here that could mess things up”.

Alex It’s so funny that we’re in this position. Because I understand negotiations very well with builders, and how we negotiated our sale. We went under contract a year ago and we were able to negotiate with them to release just that house in that block of homes. And they said, “okay that’s fine. But we can’t publicly release until October.” So that was fine. I gave them money. That was another problem. I thought, “oh my god I have to source all these checks!”

Erin It’s not a problem, it’s just more homework.

Alex More homework, I’m like, wait, where did that come from? And then here I am a year later doing all this. To me, what you just said is very easy to negotiate with the builder.

Erin And to me the loan process is very easy.

Alex And here we are together talking to listeners about what we think is easy.

Erin It’s all relative.

Alex What you think is stressful is easy to me.

Erin And when you’re calling me, I’m like Alex it’s fine. It’s work history. Just fill it in. That’s so telling. Why are you asking me this question? Are you looking for there to be a problem?

Alex Here’s the other thing. I haven’t dealt with a loan in over a year. All my buyers have been cash. I’ve only been dealing with sellers and buyers. I forgot about this process all together. And I was like, what? I had no idea and then w hen you were sending Josh the updated stuff, he was like, you haven’t seen one? I was like, dude it’s been over a year.

FEELING VULNERABLE IS PART OF THE HUMAN CONNECTION

Erin I remember we talked about this a year ago. To the listeners, it’s a great thing to buy real estate, but it’s going to feel a little uncomfortable. It’s going to! If you’re human, you’re going to feel some degree of emotion and/or discomfort in something that’s unfamiliar to you. It’s a human connection.

Alex I think people are going to feel a lot more discomfort too, because you have to share, you have to be vulnerable. You have to open up your finances. And you’re thinking, you’ve probably heard this before, Oh they’re going to judge me. And I tell borrowers all the time, I don’t care if you can afford $50,000 or $50 million. I just don’t care. You just have to be honest.

Erin That is such a good point. You’re right. There are people who are fearful of being judged. Therefore they try to puff up a little bit. And I understand why. Self preservation. People feel like they have to put on this show. And this is such an important piece: for me to do my job best, I need to know it all. I need to know your insecurities. I need to know your pain points. I joke that it’s like we have to start dating because I need to know everything about you for me to meet the needs that you are expecting. I would imagine the same thing is for you on the sales side.

“For me to do my job best, I need to know it all…I need to know everything about you for me to meet the needs that you are expecting.”

Alex On the sales side they can hide it a little more. We don’t need to go in depth with their finances.

Erin They can hide the details. They can say, “eh, I can’t look at that house because I’m not approved. Some people I’m sure go anyway.

Alex Mmmmm? Usually we try to get them completely pre-approved so I have all the info. I know where I can push the limits on certain things. What most people don’t realize is that around here taxes vary. So we can place you in Chevy Chase MD or we can place you in DC and the tax difference.

Erin Around here you can buy two houses right next to each other and the taxes are different.

Alex Same thing with condos. Not everyone realizes that. For a condo, you also have to factor in your condo fee and a bunch of other things.

Erin Especially if someone is approved to a certain point and then they didn’t take into consideration the condo fee. Down in Bethesda a condo fee can be $700-$1000. So they say “I can afford a $500,000 condo” and I say great! Great! Are you going to get a second mortgage for the condo fee?

Alex For you, the buyers have to be more vulnerable because you’re meeting them or you’re having a conversation over the phone. I think that’s where unfortunately Rocket Mortgage succeeds, because like dating, it’s like online dating, you can hide behind. But at the end of the day you still need to share. You need that human connection.

BUYING A HOME IS JUST LIKE DATING

Erin Yeah, about the “spaceship mortgage” company that will remain nameless. This is not an ad sponsored by Rocket Mortgage.

Alex We had that conversation that people were like that is a walking lawsuit right there. I think there is always going to be a need for a real lender that you have to meet with and the same thing with an agent. You need a human connection.

“You need a human connection”

Erin You want to. There are people like you have described don’t want to sit in front of me, who don’t want to take the advice I can give them, who don’t trust me. That’s fine. I don’t want to work with them anyway. They don’t value the advocacy that we offer our clients.

Alex I also think that you guys, to touch on it, you may not be pre-approved today. You COULD be a year later. That’s what Erin and I were talking about before we started. Where I was a year ago I would not have been able to purchase the home that I’m building today. It has nothing to do with me working harder. It had to do with me making the right moves, with the right advice from The Yi Team on how to put myself in a better financial position. That’s the difference in an online agent or lender, versus someone that you meet.

Erin It’s a relationship, right? So, to your point earlier, this is the largest indebtedness, it’s also a huge for the sake of purchasing real estate, I don’t know if you watched Chong’s show this morning (Mortgage Monday on Great Day Washington, WUSA9), he made a great point that you can acquire a $600,000 asset by only putting down 5%. People don’t look at it like that. They look at it like, “how much is my payment going to be?” And that’s important too, there’s lots of different layers.

Erin The point is, with real estate you can get this huge asset and only put a little bit into it. If you go to a car dealership, you can get a loan for a car, but can you buy anything else for a tiny bit and that asset appreciate year after year? A car doesn’t.

Alex No.

Erin The example is that when it comes to having a conversation about what’s going to work for you, it’s specific to you. 100% to you, to no one else. There are guidelines that mortgage lenders have to follow across the board. But your story is your story and without all of your little intricacies and goals and timeline, you can’t put a square peg into a round hole. We have to figure out what it is that is important to you. What is in the way, if anything? Right? And identify all the steps that you need to take, sometimes it’s only a couple. Some people are just scared. They need the human connection.

Alex A couple could take months. Or a year. Or more.

Erin Or more. It just depends. But you set a really high goal for yourself.

Alex Extremely high.

Erin You knocked out each step and here you are. That’s a testament to how, if you’re not wanting to buy a house today, you need to identify what it is that you need to do in order to be ready when the time is right for you. Not just fiscally, but also emotionally.  Because you could be ready emotionally but not ready financially. And you could be ready financially and not emotionally!

Alex You have to be both. You have to be at least a little bit of both.

Erin There’s not always going to be a perfect balance. It’s about talking it out. This is why there will always be a need for real people, not just robots. That’s the human connection.

Alex I think anything with finances there will always be a need for a real person.

Erin Yeah, I agree. Good stuff!

Alex Yeah, it was vulnerable. I like it.

RELATIONSHIPS AND ADVOCACY

Erin I think this was important. This was the reason you wanted to start having these (podcasts). This is why we started having these conversations. It was about making this literally obtainable to anyone who wants to, if they want to take that step.

Alex And we talked about in the beginning is humanizing what we do. The Human Connection. For us it’s a process. Steps 1 through 10. Whatever steps. But then we forget along the way that there are actual people.

Erin Which is a great reminder. That’s what makes us good at what we do, is creating the relationship and advocacy, again, is so big. How do I represent you? It’s only by knowing all about you that I’m going to represent and advocate for what it is that you’re looking to achieve. That goes both ways. It’s not just on the loan side, it’s also on the sales side too.

Alex Love it! All right you guys, tune in next week.

Erin We’ll have lots more fun stuff to talk about. We’re going to start doing a mail bag sort of thing, where we’ll get some Q&A out there. What are some real questions you all have?

Alex I think we said last week that we’re going to Instagram this, so.

Erin Maybe next time.

Alex We’ll have to figure out the Facebook live and put questions out there.

Erin Definitely. Maybe a poll or two.

Alex Yeah, I definitely think so. And last week you answered the question, how do you take your coffee?

HOW DO YOU TAKE YOUR COFFEE?

Erin Oh, Alex! It’s your turn!

Alex That’s right! I just thought about that. Our whole purpose.

Erin Alex, how do you take your coffee?

Alex Oooh! Okay, so I did a video of how I take my coffee. I did a video like a year ago, MTV Crib Style. I’m going to get to the point here. And I was showing my fridge. And I was showing my favorite coffee. I pronounced the coffee and I had people trolling me saying that I’m pronouncing it wrong.

Erin Oh Lord.

Alex So I was like, I think it’s pronounced “Stoke”. It’s S-T-O-K with the two dots over the O. I think? I think it’s Stok. [ www.Stok.com ]

Erin Whatever you want to call it, I agree.

Alex So it’s cold brewed coffee. It’s like this 10 hour process. It’s in a container. I get it from Harris Teeter. It’s unsweetened. So I pour it over ice in the morning, into my cup. I like to use, Califia Farms makes this coconut creamer. [ www.califiafarms.com ]

Erin This is fancy! This is real fancy! I’m like Coffee Mate, hazelnut, sugarfree.

Alex I drink cold brewed iced coffee with Califia Farms coconut creamer unsweetened. And I put that in there and I stir it up and sometimes…

Erin Even on a cold day?

Alex Oh I love it! It’s like my favorite.

Erin Really?

Alex Yeah.

Erin This is the time of year that I’m going to GO to iced coffee.

Alex I just love it. It’s not bitter. It’s the perfect aroma.

Erin We need to get Stok to sponsor our podcast.

Alex It’s the perfect amount of sweet and bitter at the same time. But then when I’m feeling fancy…

Erin When?! Alex, you’re always fancy.

Alex This is really long and drawn out. You should hear me order a drink. Do you know Laird, the professional surfer? [ www.lairdhamilton.com ]

Erin Nope.

Alex He created this coffee creamer. Found it in Hawaii when we were on our honeymoon.

Erin Ha! She’s not fancy ya’ll.

Alex No! And this is like coconut shreds, super fine. So I add it to the top. It’s like what you would put your hazelnut or whatever.

Erin Do you put your pinkie out when you pick up your glass cup?

Alex No! This is how bad it is. It’s not even in a glass. I use, they are plastic cups but they’re made out of corn. I use corn straws, so they’re eco friendly.

Erin Oh my god.

Alex Because I drink eco friendly coffee so I need an eco friendly cup to put it in!

Erin Tune in next week for more on how we’re serving our planet as well as we’re serving our local real estate market. Thanks for listening guys!

Alex Thanks! Have a good day! I hope you enjoyed the Human Connection podcast!

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